4th QUESTION: Is sex incompatible with a religious life? What place has human relationship in spiritual endeavor?
First of all why have human beings, right throughout the world, made sex so important in their life? Do you understand my question? Why? Now in the west it is permissive, boys or girls of twelve, thirteen, have already sex. And one asks why have human beings throughout their activities, throughout their lives made this thing of such colossal importance? Go on sirs, answer it. Put the question. We are sharing the question together - right? You are not just listening to a Delphic Oracle, but together we are investigating. It is your life. We are looking at it.
There are those gurus, and there is a whole philosophy called Tantra - part of it - is based on sex. That through sex you can reach god - whatever that god be. And that is very popular. And there are those, like the monks, the Indian Sannyasis, and the Buddhist priests, have denied sex because they have all maintained that it is a waste of energy, and to serve god you must come with all your energy. Therefore deny, suppress, burn inside yourself with all the demands but suppress it, control it. So you have the permissive, and the so-called religious suppression. And those in between who enjoy everything, both sides, they have one foot in this and one foot in the other! Then they can talk about both things and see if they cannot harmonize the two together and find god - or whatever you want to find. Probably you will find at the end of it a lot of nonsense!
So we are asking: why has man, woman, made this sex business so important? Right? Why don't you give the same importance to love - do you understand? To compassion? Not to kill? Why do you give only such immense value to sex? You are following what I am saying? Your wars, terrors, national divisions, the whole immoral society in which we live, why don't you give an equal importance to all that and not only to this? You are following my question? Why? Is it because sex is your greatest pleasure in life? The rest of your life is a bore, a travail, a struggle, a conflict, meaningless existence? And this at least gives you a certain sense of great pleasure, a sense of well being, a sense of - you know - what you call relationship, and what you also call love - right? Is that the reason why we are so sexually crazy? Go on sirs, answer yourselves. Because we are not free in any other direction. We have to go to the office from nine to five, where you are bullied, where your boss is over you - you know all that happens in an office, or in a factory, or in another job where there is somebody dominating you. And our minds have become mechanical - are you following all this? - we repeat, repeat, repeat, we fall into a tradition, into a groove, into a rut. Our thinking is that: I am a Christian, I am a Buddhist, I am a Hindu, I am a Catholic, I worship the Pope - you know, the whole thing is clearly marked and you follow that. Or you reject all that and form your own routine.
So our minds have become slaves to various patterns of existence - right? So it has become mechanical. And sex may be pleasurable and gradually that too becomes mechanical. So one asks, if you want to go very deeply into it, one asks: is love sex? Go on, ask it. Is love pleasure? Is love desire? Is love a remembrance of an incidence, which you call sex, with all the imagination, the pictures, the thinking about it, is that love? Oh, for god's sake! Is love a remembrance?
And the questioner asks: (Oh, lord, I have forgotten where is it? Here it is.) what place has human relationship in spiritual endeavor? You see what it is reduced to? Human relationship is pleasure, sex, conflict, quarrels, divisions, you go your way, I'll go my way - you follow? That is our relationship, actual relationship in our daily life. And what place has human relationship in spiritual endeavor? Obviously the present relationship has no place whatsoever, obviously. We are jealous of each other, we want to possess each other, we want to dominate each other and so there is antagonism between each other, one is sexually unsatisfied therefore you go to somebody else, and in that sexual relationship there is loneliness - right? All this sir. And always seeking your own pleasure. Is that all love?
So you disregard, put aside that thing called love, perhaps that is the most wonderful thing if one has it, and are so caught up in this vortex or one's own desire, of one's own pleasure - right? So we are always wanting not only sexual satisfaction but gratification in every direction, which is based on pleasure. And that we call love. From that we kill each other - right? Love of the country.