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Support the show and become a Patron! Be a part of our community, receive awesome rewards, and more! http://www.patreon.com/commandzone ---------- Show Notes: Graham Stark and Kathleen De Vere from LoadingReadyRun join the show to talk about Blind Commander, Oathbreaker and their favorite EDH Variants. ---------- The Command Zone podcast is brought to you by Card Kingdom! Make sure to use our affiliate link the next time you purchase Magic cards or products: http://www.cardkingdom.com/commandzone Huge thanks to UltraPro (http://www.ultrapro.com - @UltraProIntl) for sponsoring this episode and providing awesome prizes for our giveaways! Find UltraPro on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/UltraProInternational/ Purchase a Game Knights t-shirt (available for a limited time): http://bit.ly/GKShirt ---------- Watch LRR playing Blind Commander: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNGwDfoadkI ---------- Oathbreaker Official Rules: https://weirdcards.org/oathbreaker-rules ---------- Canadian Highlander Official Rules: https://canadianhighlander.wordpress.com/intro-to-format/ ---------- What we talked about on THE END STEP: King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard: https://kinggizzardandthelizardwizard.com/ Star Trek: Deep Space Nine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine ---------- Where to find our guests online: LoadingReadyRun: https://www.youtube.com/user/loadingreadyrun https://www.youtube.com/user/loadingreadylive https://www.twitch.tv/loadingreadyrun Kathleen De Vere: @Kathleen_LRR https://www.twitch.tv/kathleen_lrr Graham Stark: @Graham_LRR ---------- Follow us on Twitter! @CommandCast @JoshLeeKwai @jfwong Email us: [email protected] ---------- Huge thanks to Geoffrey Palmer for providing some of his amazing Living Cards animations for our videos. Follow him here: https://twitter.com/livingcardsmtg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIuqWt79_d0hUK-dRhzFtAQ Check out our sister podcast - The Masters of Modern: http://collected.company/category/the-masters-of-modern/ Commander/EDH Official Rules, Banlist, Forums, and more: http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php
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Chris (1 hour ago)
I love the Rock Lee quote xD Awesome and insane
lordchaos7770 (13 hours ago)
What if you use a signature spell with an alternate cost, such as force of will that nullifies the casting cost? Could you just counter everything with enough carddraw or does commander tax affect alternate costs? Because it doesnt in normal commander
Luke Utterback (14 hours ago)
I don't know if anyone plays it anymore but another variant you could have mentioned is Elder Dragon Highlander back when it actually used elder dragons and was highlander. Before EDH was what we now know as commander, it was a five way multiplayer game with each player playing a different one of the five elder dragons from Legends as a commander, and it was true 100 card highlander (you couldn't have more than one of each basic land that fit your color identity). Other than that it was the same as the EDH we play today.
Frankenstein3r (1 day ago)
Can confirm, I watch gameknights to see everyone laughing and having fun.
I'm mostly new to Magic in general, and haven't even started on Commander yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I am definitely on the "Spike" side of things, where I like trying to build efficient decks and pilot them optimally, so one of the ways I'm planning to limit myself is by giving myself stipulations as to how I can build a deck - my plan for my first one is a Mirko Vosk deck, where all the cards are psychic or vampire related. Alas, no Sol Ring for me, since vampires can't stand the sun.
TIprgm (3 days ago)
About the playing of Oatbreaker I'm the moment assembling a playgroup for it but don't have my deck set yet since my initial thought for a deck might be to annoying (I got Narset as a Promo).
2ndLastStarfighter (4 days ago)
Awesome episode guys, always keeping up to date on what's hot in mtg. Our group recently mentioned trying OB, and then lo and behold you guys cover it on CZ! Shout out to LRR for representing BC and my hood talking Vancouver mulligans :D
Dylan Lindsey (4 days ago)
Keep making episodes that are people having fun.
Eamon Bell (4 days ago)
I played a Cmdr. game today. I was using my Brudiclad deck against my friend's Edgar Markov deck. I spent an entire turn using mirrorworks and etherium sculptor to make token copies of sol ring and hedron archive, just for kicks. We both know I would end up losing, so I just did it for fun. We both think it's our favorite turn that has been played in a while.
DragonmasterSK (5 days ago)
Nissa Worldwaker + Summer Bloom... Let's try TRON and Cradle with Huge Eldrazi and Nissa's Triumph ....LANDFALL!!!!
Seiku (5 days ago)
I only play magic online and as far as I know it doesn't allow players to create customized formats to try their own rules so I wish I could play oathbreaker or any other unique formats (the closest I get is making a comment saying like "edh - pauper only cards can use rare commander" etc but I would love to modify rules in a 'just for fun' section.)
Nicholas Roch (5 days ago)
The reason you get pulled over at security because it looks like a explosive device I found that out at security in once
Charlie Roberts (6 days ago)
Step one cut forty cards from Arcum Daggson Step two make Tezzeret the commander with a tutor. Step 3 realize the deck is completely identical
Chicken Chaser (7 days ago)
I think if you’re an MTG content creator you need to be entertaining. Sure sometimes you’ll have an amazing play but at the end of the day if you had a good shoot then that’s a win for everyone.
Zachary Bynx (7 days ago)
Having just started playing Oathbreaker after hearing about it from you guys, DJ, and Prof., I'm hooked. This format feels like it was made just for me. The smaller size decks and lower life totals make games fly by and having a Planeswalker as your Commander adds quite a bit to deck building and playing. Something I will say, though, is that Mono-Blue or Dimir Mill is quite strong. A lot of the Jace variants and Ashiok Decks can win out of nowhere without attacking even once.
Tony Lone Fight (7 days ago)
Precious Cinnamon ... that is so true... we love Serge! lol
TheSpiritombsableye (8 days ago)
The new Magnum PI is good. 😡
Ben Mendelsohn (8 days ago)
Can confirm oathbreak is actually a ton of fun. My whole playgroup made decks on cockatrice to test it out and we've been having a blast so far.
andy g (9 days ago)
Gentle persons agreement ....
BeetleBuns (9 days ago)
Oathbreaker is actually really fun, I built 3 decks as soon as I could and my playgroup (aka my roommates and I) have been playing almost nonstop
Ty Sylicus (10 days ago)
I'm interested in trying Oathbreaker. Would have to build Gideon first of course!
Regirex (10 days ago)
No offense, but all we say from the second audition was just all talk and no substance... or are they just hiding his deck??! HMMM
Coffee Caesar (10 days ago)
My play group and I play Oathbreaker, and it's crazy fun.
HasBeenChosen (10 days ago)
Our playgroup plays oathbreaker
Kaya Yavuz (11 days ago)
About mulligan they say it is not optimal to use different rules for different formats but are they aware you draw 7 card out of 60 that can have 4 copies of nonbasic lands on is greatly different than singleton 100 deck
Chris Kyle (11 days ago)
I'm I the only one still playing tiny?
Elijah Strode (11 days ago)
My local commander group is having an oathbreaker week at the end of the month and I’m really excited for it.
Michael Turiano (11 days ago)
My group had started playing I have 2 decks New ugin with all is dust And windgrace with scapeshift valukut
Ust Grot (11 days ago)
LoadingReadyRun & The Command Zone, you're all such a gift to the world! <3
Siniša Tošić (11 days ago)
Graham Stark has a testosterone level of 0.
vulpinfang (11 days ago)
I think it be pretty cool to see oathbreaker, it seems like it be a fun format to see and watch on game knights. Also, Card kingdom is incredible I ordered my stuff this past Friday. And when I got the confirmation saying it would be here Tuesday, lone behold I get home today Monday. And in my mailbox my cards arrived, definitely giving a 10 out of 5 review for card kingdom. Thanks for showing me such a great place to order my cards.
Patrick Bentley (11 days ago)
Oathbreaker; Tamiyo, Collector of Tales + Vitalize (w/ x20 Persistent Petitioners)... fill with fogs, counter spells, and recursion! I'm a monster.
Marten Pretorius (11 days ago)
Whats about Timewarp effects?
Mikel Teson (12 days ago)
I love the idea of Oathbreaker format. I personally built a Will and Rowan Kenrith with turn//burn as my spell. Turned out way stronger than it was supposed to.
Sephyrias (12 days ago)
7:10 Stuff like Estrid+Flicker sounds broken, but I'd guess combo is actually more balanced in Oathbreaker than in regular EDH, simply due to lower life totals and fast mana being banned. 18:00 Budget isn't a good argument. For example if you want to play Liliana, Death's Majesty, then you already need Entomb in the command zone and a Blightsteel Colossus in the deck. 22:00 Regarding Tiny Leaders: There are still some people in my group who play it, but it's a minority. 58:50 Oathbreaker: No, first time I heared about it. I didn't have a stroke of genius for a deck idea right away either. The biggest selling point for me is probably the lower life total. More aggro, shaking up the combo&control-oriented EDH gameplay a little. I'd say the design of it is better than Brawl's. Has potential, but I'd need to see it in action before I can wrap my mind around it.
coolman156156 (12 days ago)
i have been playing Chandra Torch of Defiance burn in Oathbreaker
conner lajoie (12 days ago)
Think I’m going to start a oathbreaker deck!! Got the new Nissa, with awaken the vitu ghazi, going to be blast!!!
K Hagar (12 days ago)
I've always enjoyed collecting MTG cards and collecting the ravnica allegiance set but my mom and dad say well if your going to play magic then actually play it stop just collecting cards keep in mine I pay for my own cards so I don't see why it effects them I just would like to know am I really that bad for collecting cards I sometimes play but I enjoy collecting is this such a bad thing or should I just stop all in general
SuperMonkeyDog (12 days ago)
Played Oathbreaker last night. It was great!
Carl Ring (12 days ago)
One of the most fun "casual variants" that you can play and would be alot of fun is what we called Tower of Power. It's a 200-250 card deck, 5 colors, everyone picks a legendary creature and shuffles it into a facedown pile, then you draw your "commander" randomly, you play all the big bads and fun stuff, minimal board wipes, and if anything says "exile" it's put on the bottom of the library instead of going into exile. It's pretty fun and something that takes a fair amount of time, but it hasn't been tweaked and streamlined yet.
ChrisHeinking (12 days ago)
I'm brewing a super silly Nahiri/enlightened tutor oathbreaker deck for my local playgroup. Gonna ramp with mana rocks and tutor up bludgeon brawl, equip everything to goblin gavaleer or another creature that like equipment
J Winegrad (12 days ago)
I'm making an oathbreaker deck with the new narset as the oathbreaker and windfall as the signature spell... everyone's gonna hate me.
a pohto (12 days ago)
Yes I play GW Huatli with March of the Multitudes
Alice Baker (12 days ago)
I would love it for Game Nights, if everyone stated what they believe their deck's level was at the beginning.
KyanKonsog (12 days ago)
Micha el (12 days ago)
who watches this for the boring information anyway, play more games pls
BlazingMosasaurus (13 days ago)
I love game knights
BlazingMosasaurus (13 days ago)
Do brawl
Pete Angel (13 days ago)
So if your looking for an exceptionally silly oathbreaker deck, play Jace, Weilder of Mysteries and his signature spell is Paradigm Shift. Its control heavy and essentially says hey. I'm going to cast this. And if the game goes long you play give mind then cast the shift.
Jan-Paul Boelcke (13 days ago)
KING GIZZARD AND THE LIZARD WIZARD, she just became a lot cooler than she already is!
Farycane (13 days ago)
In my Playgroup we sometimes just throw a Deck in a Pool (one per Player) and Roll who gets which deck. And Only the one that built it, and the one thatgot it know what Commander it ahs until he casts it the first time. It may sounds a bit strange but it's awesome :)
Carlos Soler (13 days ago)
Did any one read the Forbes report on magic the gathering being the most complex game ever
Adrian Padalhin (14 days ago)
How to make your playgroup play Blind Commander even if they don't want to? Shared Fate + Teferi's Puzzlebox
Alan Beatty (14 days ago)
Yes. I'm playing Oathbreaker with Nissa, Who Shakes the World and Rishkar's Expertise as well as Liliana of the Dark Realms and Settle the Score.
Zero (14 days ago)
My friends are trying to pick up oathbreaker, but idk how well it'll take off
Zirnike (14 days ago)
I had an idea a while back. Basic rules: no making opponents shuffle, no infinite combos (not sure how to put it yet... Cards cannot interact twice with the same card, maybe?) Stacked deck commander. Order your cards however you want.
ClexYoshi (14 days ago)
I saw Oathbreaker being played at my LGS last monday. I did not have a deck so I couldn't try, but I've since put together this Saheeli, sublime artificer with Grapeshot deck.
sabitsuki (14 days ago)
21:25 paper gets thrown around, but kathleen's is thrown with control.
Brett Gibson (14 days ago)
After this video me and my friends from school are building oath breaker decks so that we can finish games during our hour long break
Tobias Leon Haecker (14 days ago)
No discussion of Brawl!? For example, why it didn't got to a big player Base? It's not dead, in my city it is really alive, because it is a perfect and easy entry point for beginners, it really helped growing the community. It is also faster than commander games. It is real casual because there is a limit of the power level. But it is not ideal for players with a big and good collection. But it is easy to build and extremely cheap.
Horde magic. Four decks team up against the zombie horde.
Tristan Davis (14 days ago)
I can't be the only one looking for the hot ones link.
Philip David Davies (14 days ago)
We need more of this message resonating here... I went to my LGS and had Key color lands destroyed every game i played 4 games in a row... shutting me out of playing all together... I understood due to the group having all proxied decks and were playing rather competitive... well 2 of them... I have been playing commander for 7 years... SO I completely understood how they felt where they wanted to win... and all they cared about was winning... But I have grown away from that and enjoy playing more than winning... So i told them its fine you guys want to win... but understand that forcibly stopping others from getting to play the game is not what commander is about... Or atleast that is how I feel now :/
Robert L (14 days ago)
Thanks guys for your work I love the show, just picked up 2 commander decks for my girlfriend and I. Arcades wall deck for me and a goreclaw big green for her. I used your link on cardkingdom, I can't wait for more gameknights! Keep up the great work :)
Sebastian Lambert (14 days ago)
Kinda bummed that you spent an episode talking about commander variants without playing any of them.
Ben Eighinger (15 days ago)
Different variants time stamps Oathbreaker- 5:02 Blind Commander- 25:44 Canadian Highlander- 35:20 Mulligan Variants- 46:00
Chase Butler (12 days ago)
Ben Eighinger thank you good sir
Patrick Blondin (15 days ago)
Screw playing optimaly only to win. My favorite deck remains my Keranos Chaos deck who just messes up the entire field. Yes I never play it anymore cause people hate that screw over are their little combo with one Confusion in the Rank or Grip of Chaos. But it still my favorite deck that never wins
i1KiCK1BUTT (15 days ago)
I'm going to play a Shahrazad oathbreaker deck!
Zen Nargle (15 days ago)
I have not played Oathbreaker yet but I have a friend trying to get me into it currently. I plan on making an elfball deck that inherently can be kind of strong because of elf tribal but I'm not trying to make it super high tuned. It will be with the Nissa planeswalker that tutors for "Nissa's Chosen" and Elvish Promenade is the spell
Darrell Pitts (15 days ago)
My playgroup started playing Oathbreaker recently. It seems like a fun format and we're using it in exactly the way you guys described in the episode - as a shorter game mode to play when there isn't enough time left to commit to a full Commander game. I would definitely be interested to see you guys play it on Game Knights!
Mulch Man (15 days ago)
Drop the Oona Deck tech
RowinMarkov (15 days ago)
I have built an oath breaker but havent played it yet. It was my Brago stripped down into an oath breaker using Venser, the sojourner and momentary blink. Momentary blink having flashback kind of gets around the tax so it's nice to have access to.
Prone2Drift (15 days ago)
I have been playing this format with people at my LGS, some friends and I introduced it and it seems to be gaining some ground. Personally I've found Lord Windgrace and See the Unwritten to be a powerful combination.
Adam Hill (15 days ago)
New respect for Kathleen for her music tastes.
Kogan13 (15 days ago)
Teferi hero of dom + teferis protection. Haven't lost yet.
David Martin (15 days ago)
Victoria BC represent!!
The 99 (15 days ago)
Love the Channel, been watching it for years... The entertainment value of your production is through the roof. Keep doing it gang, your work is good. However, I think the opinions expressed here may have been too harsh on those that enjoy the Competitive version of our format. When I first started playing Commander, I played it casually: no infinite anything, two-card finishers, nothing like that. The only fault I found with it was that the games took entirely too long. I barely have enough time with my schedule - and that of my friends - to organize get togethers. However, when we do get together, I want to get in as many games as possible. cEDH allows for that. The cost for entry isn't an issue for my group cause we allow proxies/Champs/any suitable stand in for the cards you cannot afford. It is "spikier," but that's inherent to running faster/combo-centric decks. We're still playing to have fun, just more of it, haha. We can fit in ten games by the time it would take to fit in two-to-three casual games... I don't think those that enjoy cEDH should be ousted. I do agree that *some personalities* can ruin the game though. Calling out errors, "misplays" or general saltiness over failing to execute on a combo and having that impact the other Players isn't a "competitive" issue moreover a "player" issue. I think there's room for casual & competitive Commander at any table, so long as we're all having fun. Be well gang and thank you for all the excellent content! -Patrick
trident042 (15 days ago)
I think Oathbreaker would get more mileage out of signature spells if the cost increase was just 1 instead of 2. Or maybe only 1 for sorceries, still 2 for instants.
Eddie Johnson (15 days ago)
This was just the best. Loved it!!!
Marco Montagna (15 days ago)
Ruling question: does the command tax increase also for the spectacle cost of a card? (Oathbreakers format)
KaraoYoshi (15 days ago)
If we could bring Tiny Leaders back, but make Canadian Highlander a dead format, the world would be a better place.
Prof. Burch (15 days ago)
Oh my god, was it really two years ago they did the last episode of commander variants 😦
Chuck Thunder (15 days ago)
Started playing oathbreaker. Small following among my legs commander playgroup. I keep one deck of oathbreaker and at least one pauper commander too just in case someone asks
Fuyu Paradigm (15 days ago)
Wish I could play commander with them xR
Zsolt Erdélyi (15 days ago)
Tiny Leaders is actually still alive in Europe. It's a shame it got such a bad rap because it's a really fun format. Check out Tiny Leaders Reborn
GreenLikeGrass (15 days ago)
why is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed in the video @20:13 ?
smoke108 (15 days ago)
Mikaeus gives other non-humans undying so when the other creature removes its last +1/+1 counter it comes back with another and can loop.
Robby Sanderson (15 days ago)
I haven't heard of Oathbreaker before this episode, but I brought up the idea to my playgroup and we're discussing it. It sounds excellent and a perfect fit as a "30-60 minute" format at the end of the night or for more games per hour
Adam Brown (15 days ago)
My Oathbreaker is Venser + Enlightened Tutor. Its a defender + cycling deck. Tutor lets me search out High Alert, Astral Slide, and Drake Haven.
JLinkin (15 days ago)
Tried card kingdom for the first time this week. I’m blown away by the shipping speed! Ordered a card Monday afternoon and got it Wednesday afternoon. I made sure to use your affiliate link. Thanks guys!
Jan Kreitzscheck (15 days ago)
Played Oathbreaker once so far it was really fun. Definitely faster and a lot more cards and strategies are viable. I played Rowan and Will Kenrith (with Lightning Bolt and Fabricate as signature spells) because I had them for a while and never really got around to making a full EDH deck with them.
I play a nissa who shakes the world oathbreaker deck with finale of devastation as my signature spell. It’s so good.
משה אייזנר (15 days ago)
Well, I tried Will and Rowan Kenrith as my Oathbreaker, since you can actually play both. The signiture spell was Brass's Bounty. I had fun ultimating my Will and then combo with Brass's Bounty. Well, Almost combo, but its enough to just finish it off with commet storm. Fun times.
Phillip Rhodes (15 days ago)
After watching this I convinced my brothers to play oathbreaker with me. I used Ral, Storm Conduit and Beacon Bolt. I cast Thousand Year story and then followed it up the next turn with Shock then two casts of Beacon Bolt and for an amazing 16 damage
Grayson Christian (16 days ago)
Idk I never found partials all that awful.
JGiraffe (16 days ago)
I have an idea for a commander variant that requires 2 commanders, and every legendary creature has partner. I'd love to hear any broken partners you can think of! The goal is to enable higher synergy decks like hapatra + scarab god for example.
Chromium (16 days ago)
Should have my boy sark
Kyle Stults (16 days ago)
My brother, my wife, and I have a few Oathbreaker decks now. Gideon of the Trials/Wrath of God is probably our dumbest. Saheeli Rai and Energy tap is our 2nd best.
James Slavin (16 days ago)
My playgroup has put together about 8 different oathbreaker decks! We've played it a couple times in the past two weeks. Huatli/Nissa/Kiora/Jaya/Jace/Vraska/Nicol Bolas/Another Jace/Chandra All the decks are pretty viable and we've had a lot of fun experimenting! It's not the same as EDH, which is our favorite format, but it's felt a bit more casual, and like you said, it's great to have around to lower salt levels after a long, tense game night.
NECROLORDZ (16 days ago)
Problem is when the group steadily advances towards competitiveness and you don't want that, but it's also the only group you have. It is what has been happening for me. I started seeing Natural Order, way more tutors than usual, and other degenerate stuff. And my favorite decks are Edgar Markov and Varina, Lich Queen. Does this mean that I will eventually have to abandon those in favor of hyper-cutthroat combo machines? I would totally despise that.
Jeffxm003 (16 days ago)
I was thinking of making liliana of the dark realm and exsanguinate

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